And she didn’t really come to that.Īnd so we have a scene in the book where we talk about her first speech, on Roosevelt Island. So she had all these years to kind of prep and revise her message, maybe, and talk about her kind of, as I like to call it, the center of gravity, what she was about. No one had that kind of – those ideas about her. No one really knew that about Secretary Clinton. Barack Obama got out there and basically told people, you know, I’m for hope, I’m for change. PARNES: You would have thought that she would have learned her lesson in 2008, when she was the inevitable candidate and no one really knew why she was running. SCHIEFFER: I mean, that, to me, is shocking. SCHIEFFER: The thing that struck me as I was reading some of the reviews is how the campaign – and as I understand it, the first chapter is pretty much how the campaign tried to come up with a rationale for Hillary Clinton to run. I mean, you know, the Clintons have done so many things over the years – (chuckles) – there’s a lot of different sort of institutional sources about them, and we tapped into as many of them as we could. Some of them were people from the, you know, earlier Clinton campaigns. Some of them were people we just came to know now. But some of them were people that we had known for a long time. We don’t really talk too much about our sources, you know, the individuals. ![]() SCHIEFFER: So, Jon, the people that were sources for you when you wrote “HRC,” those became the sources, named and unnamed, for this campaign? We reached an agreement that we would not publish anything before the campaign ended and that – in order for them to basically be as candid as possible with us. Jon and I have relationships with them dating back to the first campaign, so a lot of them are great sources of ours. We wanted the most candid stories that people could tell us, and the way that Jon and I – we met a lot of these people the first time we did the book. Is that about how it was?ĪMIE PARNES: That’s right. As I understand it, you did interviews with people during the campaign with the promise that you wouldn’t report any of it until after the election, and most of the interviews were done on background. I want to ask you first: Explain to us how you put this book together. Previously, they wrote “HRC,” a biography of Hillary Clinton. ![]() He is also the head of content at Sidewire, which is a digital place that specializes in sophisticated conversations about the issues of the day. Jonathan Allen is a columnist for Roll Call, which is The Hill’s biggest competition, I would say, here in Washington – a newspaper also widely read here. Amie is the White House correspondent for The Hill newspaper, which is widely read in official Washington. SCHIEFFER: With us today, Amie Parnes and Jonathan Allen, the authors of “Shattered,” a bombshell book that is out this week and is basically an autopsy of the Clinton campaign. SCHWARTZ: These conversations are a year-long collaboration of the Bob Schieffer College of Communication at Texas Christian University and the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. But are we more informed, or just overwhelmed by so much information we can’t process it? We have access to more information than any people in history. We are in the midst of a communications revolution. SCHIEFFER: And these are conversations about the news. ANDREW SCHWARTZ: And I’m Andrew Schwartz. Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign Responding to Egregious Human Rights Abuses. ![]()
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